[laughter] is the only time i think i had anything in common with neil armstrong. it was just like landing on the moon. one small step, et cetera. but it was an important meeting because the previous american administration, george bush senior administration, had been very dismissive and uninterested in this matter. and suddenly to have the american government, then, putting the power of the united states behind this, first of all different and a lot of other european, a lot of other western european government. and i think it got attention of the armies and detention, and initiatives of the new labour government in england finally brought the thing to an end. so it was a big turning point. >> in fairness, we should say that when a reason was given to you for why people would not stand up, always involve hostages had been held in iran. you in the hopper some way -- >> actually, there were american hostage in lebanon. initially i was asked by the u.s. authorities not to visit the united states. while there were hostages in lebanon because they were negotiations to g